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NOVEMBER!!!! Farking RAWKS!! This morning completely ruled! Again with the head-high, offshore-groomed, copiously consistent, high-performance, mellow like jellelow dream waves. Pretty crowded up and down the beach but tons of rides to go around. Sea-surface absolutely utter oily plate glass. Crystalline. Super mega uber hella glassiest glassy glass. Feathering, playful lips. Non-punishing, oval, inviting barrels (not that I got any). People ripping the snot out of the place. Roundhouses, huge gaffs, deep pits, giant floaters (Lerm), speed carves, funky wipeouts (E), stylish down-the-line pumping on self-shaped boards (Elias), outer bar beauties ridden by patient loggers, hoots, smiles, inside racers. Wave after wave after wave etc. I probably caught 40 rides during the 2 hour session. Just unreal out there. This week has been all-time, imho. For those that like it playful/glassy/offshore/head-high/consistent/uncrowded.. this week reigns surpreme.. Shit.. can you tell I’m amped!! Fuck! Surfing is soo fun. Seeing a rising, overhead, plate-glass peak rise up for you.. stroke in and angle down the line.. take off quick and light and begin micro-pumping and building speed.. turn up the face and bash off the lip… back down to the bottom and more pumping.. reacting to the shape of the wave.. dancing with nature’s primal expression… build speed as the wave steepens up.. ride up high and float over the lip as it closes out.. ride the whitewater and free-fall down into the flats.. paddle back out for more.. see your friend take off on a steepy.. wobble the beginning of the take-off and then catch his balance, turn off the bottom and whack the lip.. so nice!

Go surf!

According to the ‘Stah, today might be the end of the playful, mellow niceness..

A few "organic" photos submitted over the last few weeks
DMC photos from an island in the Atlantic
niceness

niceness

Greg's photos from Bali
niceness

niceness

Jeremy from Scott's Valley snaps one of Jocular's fave wave
niceness

Walker shot some beauties of a local spot
niceness

niceness

Korewin's friend shot this one in Durban (are those lights for a dragstrip or something?)
niceness

Nate seems prepared for a surf segue into lounge with this east coast photo
niceness

i concur - it's stupid good out there.

Posted by: caveman at November 17, 2004 10:11 AM

what a week!!! get on it if you haven't already.

Posted by: lerm at November 17, 2004 10:18 AM

i hate the fact that i'm fat and lazy.

Posted by: j at November 17, 2004 10:18 AM

Once again, I thank the Doof for his week away. Flatsville in Southern Cal.

Here is his report:

There is next to no surf down here.

When you left for Socal, Thrusday and Friday of last week were marginal surf conditions at the Beach. Small and windy.

When I leave for Socal, good swell comes in up there.

So, I have deduced that when you go elsewhere, you do jackshit for surf in SF, but when I go elsewhere, I somehow have pissed off the gods enough to rub good surf (at home) in my face.

Anyway, decent weather, wearing shorts and all, but little to no surf.

Well, see you Saturday.

Posted by: friend #1 at November 17, 2004 10:23 AM

get on it early peeps - late yesterday was fun enough, but the wind had chopped it up a bit.

Posted by: loon at November 17, 2004 10:29 AM

And also thanks to Doof for bringin' nutin' down here.

For all you Fishheads, not Phishheads, a good read on Pavel:

http://www.allaboutsurf.com/0411/articles/pavel/index.php

Posted by: Hb at November 17, 2004 10:37 AM

ridiculous fishin these past two mornings, but i think maybe i am ready for something a little bigger. if only my pintail rfs was ready...blakestah, help! is there anything you can do? i've got a week off and plenty of juice comin and i don't think the 5'6" canard quad can hack it.

Posted by: steamwand at November 17, 2004 10:46 AM

Im with Stoopid.

Its friggen hella wicked awsum out there.

Just one more reason SF is the best city in the lower 48.

Go get surf. OB is a almond shaped jewel.

Posted by: Sutro at November 17, 2004 10:48 AM

somebody reading Good Earth?

Posted by: at November 17, 2004 11:02 AM

steamwand: john schultze shaped me a thick retro 6'7", and i am loving it, have ridden it from 2ft to 8 ft and it works great though maybe a bit bulky for the smaller stuff. haven't even tried changin the bumpers yet. shaping took longer than expected but db was reliable for an accurate estimate of the completion date.

what are the dimensions on your pending pintail?

Posted by: loon at November 17, 2004 11:11 AM

sf legend Van Dyke at Waimea

Posted by: severson at November 17, 2004 11:12 AM

Do you like almonds?

Well i got a number.

How do ya like them almonds?

Posted by: Blue Diamond at November 17, 2004 11:16 AM

Loon-

What was the ballpack price on your fish from Schultze? I rode a 7' slop killer of his that was sweet and am thinking of haing one made but am in the midst of saving up and want to know how much more I have to go....Thanks

Posted by: mjs at November 17, 2004 11:19 AM

Steamwand, I think your board will be done this weekend or next...if you want to ride the 6'3" in the meantime lemme know, I'll leave it at the shop. I know John has your finbox, and blank, and is working on it.

Week off, nice timing. I think I may take next week off, too.

Posted by: blakestah at November 17, 2004 11:20 AM

Schultze is in the neighborhood of $400 for a 7 footer with no art or gloss. Same for Ward Coffey.

Posted by: blakestah at November 17, 2004 11:22 AM

Jeff Chamberlain sent me some words and photos about a surfer he knew who passed away recently.

check it

Posted by: e at November 17, 2004 11:22 AM

loon: 6'6", kinda thick, kinda wide, i can't really remember. i thought the 3 week estimate was pretty darn optimistic, but's been like 7 now and i am trying to be very patient and understanding, but i'm dying for something i can really trust when it's overhead, that wont squirrel out, cause i'm not as good as the boys in sprout. wanna loan me your board on monday if mine ain't ready? i'll trade you my first born or a six pack or whatever.

Posted by: steamwand at November 17, 2004 11:27 AM

thanks blake, i'll take you up on that if it's not ready this weekend. i really appreciate it. you're the best. i'll e-mail you.

Posted by: steamwand at November 17, 2004 11:33 AM

Bruce, love your new photos, Great lighting. The lane is a much easier wave to surf than it is to shoot, it's south facing from shore so I always seem to shott into the sun. Can't wait to get a little some some....

Is it just me or does the water seem a tad warmer than the norm..

Posted by: Mexi at November 17, 2004 11:41 AM

tad warmer. yes.
a tad softer, too.

once again, nothing much happing in the water. just fun waves, fun rides, and friends.

s-awesome.

damn.

Posted by: elias at November 17, 2004 11:47 AM

Dang it!!!! I pick the worst days to work.

I took a second, afternoon session yesterday, and Loon is right: a little blown, also huuuge current. Still pretty fun, and lots of easy-to-catch 4-5 footers. Sounds so perfect today from your description, Ethan. I'm praying no students show up to office hours---maybe I can bail early and sneak in a session . . .

Posted by: klooless at November 17, 2004 11:53 AM

Blue Diamond has the post of the day thus far. CLASSIC!

3rd pic down is Balangan, no doubt. Yeah, I named it so go sit on it and see if it crowded....

I took out the Go Pro Hero today! Yeah, that dirty little waterproof camera you might have seen pop up in Wise or Aqua or the like recently. Took it for a trial run and got some action shots in the water. If you haven't picked on of these up, get on it! They are pretty cool to catch you bros or some niceness heads out in the lineup on days like today.

Check it out!

T-minus 36 hours until touchdown in the islands.....Oh snizzle....

Posted by: Kaiser at November 17, 2004 11:53 AM

did anyone see that fight at the lane on sunday eve? i thought those guys were seriously going to drown each other. worst one i've ever seen. and i've seen some people act like idiots down there. it was full on, ridiculous no resistance punching, hold downs, nonsense.

Posted by: steamwand at November 17, 2004 12:11 PM


Got a Floater 101 today. Paddle into a great take off position for once, effortless, stable stand up and there I am cruising along the ridge of a friendly wave for what seems like seconds. Then the entire wave closes and the bottom drops out. Oh yeah you have to make a drop *before* turning up and floating along the top. The whole time I was putzing around the top kept wondering why my board wasn't going down the face. Think I channeled the spirit of Klooless' air bottom turn. Very silly. Friendly, mellow folks in the water, and when I walked in my neighbor handed me a fresh cup of coffee. There's worse ways to start the day.

Posted by: s.s. sharkbait at November 17, 2004 12:12 PM

Nice on the Go Pro, Kaiser...

Session started out fun out front in the dark/twilight, but a southerly drift took a couple pals and me into mushville burgerland. It was glassy and beautiful out there and I definitely hit the quota this morning, but unfortunately drifted into slopeyville bobb-land. Still…what a week so far…has been SO nice…you nailed it e…so pleasant out there.

Trying to post some Go Pro Hero photos right now, but have to get over a little technical glitch...I just took my latest roll in for development too - so hoping for more good shots. Have had a lot of fun snapping photos - random people throw up a big smile when they realize you're taking a photo.

Posted by: Q at November 17, 2004 12:22 PM

think it came in at $425 or 435 (with the rfs). i was initially hoping for something with a wee bit smaller profile, but this seems to be working fine, and the paddle power is a notable improvement on my 6'5" even though the rfs board is not as wide. from what i can tell think the key dimensions were thickness (2-5/8) which goes all the way to the rails in the front/center, and having the centerpoint forward (2" up) -- although i think that has only accentuated my tendency to ride the board forward, but that's another story. when i have managed to keep my back foot back it has allowed me to make some very snappy turns, feels great.

i've ridden that 6'3" and i recall it being a very different shape, but i also really liked it. i am already plotting my next board, smaller summer one, it will either be another rfs like that 6'3" but maybe 6'1", or an old school fish. decisions decisions...

blakestah, you haven't even tried this thing yet, right? if you and steamwand want to connect on sunday for a session and swap boards & talk rfs, let me know... pnmcs at comcast doot net

Posted by: loon at November 17, 2004 12:51 PM

follow-up on my sf surf shop board -- paid an extra $25 or so for painted rails, john did a really nice job.

sharkbait -- nice work on the floater!

kaiser -- travel well amigo. what boards are you bringing?

Posted by: loon at November 17, 2004 12:59 PM

BTW, the photo at the top is not from me. I'll have to change my name? I don't really want to get some kind of nickname.

Posted by: Nate at November 17, 2004 01:15 PM

im flabbergasted

Posted by: bagel at November 17, 2004 01:17 PM

A bus carrying only kooks crashes into an oncoming truck, and everyone inside dies. They then get to meet their maker, and because of the grief they have experienced He decides to grant them one wish each, before they enter Paradise. They're all lined up, and God asks the first one what the wish is.

"I want to be able to surf like Slater," and so God snaps His fingers, and it is done.

The second one in line hears this and says, "I want to surf like Taj."

Another snap of His fingers and the wish is granted.

This goes on for a while with each one asking to be an awesome surfer but when God is halfway down the line, the last guy in the line, BVB, starts laughing. When there are only ten people left, BVB is rolling on the floor, laughing his head off.

Finally, God reaches BVB and asks him what his wish will be. BVB eventually calms down and says:

"Make 'em all kooks again."

Posted by: traut at November 17, 2004 01:19 PM

too quick witted for bvb. i think bvb would tell God that he owned heaven, take off his trucker hat and get the fuck out.

Posted by: j at November 17, 2004 01:30 PM

the thought of the look on God's face when BVB tells him he's an SUV driving yuppie would be classic.

Posted by: j at November 17, 2004 01:31 PM

guy on yellow board ripping it at rockway this am

Posted by: snAKE at November 17, 2004 01:32 PM

Anyone surfed the Osa Peninsula in Costa Rica (Matapalo - across the gulf from Pavones) before? I'm headed down there with my girlfriend next week.

Any stories/info would be appreciated.

-be

Posted by: be at November 17, 2004 01:37 PM

for those of us who have never been to indo, if you went to indo and it was like it was here today, would that be like a so-so indo day or would you be stoked?

Posted by: IndoMe at November 17, 2004 01:38 PM

Props to the guy who was paddling out last night at 5:00 p.m. - that's inspiring.

Posted by: T.W. at November 17, 2004 01:39 PM

Super foggy this morning. Somehow I managed to break my new board in with my shin. I'd say the board won since it is just cracked but still watertight, while my shin has a nice, new gash. Ouch.

Kaiser, I'll trade you trips. I have to go to Fresno this weekend. I hear it totally goes off this time of year out there... with heinous tule fog that is. We are all lucky we live near the coast this time of year. When we get great weather here, the central valley is f'ed with fog as shown below.

Posted by: dano at November 17, 2004 01:50 PM

Yeah it was fun last night, bumps and all. I caught an outsider on my short board for the first wave. Kinda quick drop and started to mush a bit so I almost kicked out. Then it stood up on the inside and gave me a fun fast line. It must of been a 75 yard ride. Next wave, caught the shoulder of a breaking outsider that held up to the inside. I was hanging close to the lip and it just wedged and jacked up and pitched over my head for a second or two. After the second ride I was about 3 blocks from where I caught the first wave. A few more less exciting but fun rides and it got dark. So glad I took off work early yesterday.

Posted by: Dennis at November 17, 2004 01:59 PM

Greg- Love those shots of Bingin....
Gotta get back there soon....
Is that from Nyoman Nyoman's place?

Posted by: indo at November 17, 2004 02:11 PM

indoMe - it's tough to compare today's OB conditions to Indo. The coral-reefbreaks of indo are a totally different beast. On a fun meter i'd say that today was comparable to a good day in Indo.. But.. you're not going to score the down-the-line perfection here at OB like you will over there.

In some ways November here is better than June there - less crowds, easy waves, beachbreaks.. But in most ways it's better there - guaranteed long sections, obvious barrel opportunities, perfect waves, offshore all day at west-coast spots.

Neither better than the other.. just diffent..

my 2 cents.

Posted by: e at November 17, 2004 02:35 PM

I voted for Bush

Posted by: lame at November 17, 2004 02:38 PM

Look again Loon, my "floater" missed an essential step!

Posted by: at November 17, 2004 02:40 PM

Going to China via Hong Kong for one month to outsource a factory. Have weekends off. Anyone w/experience getting from HK to Indo and back in 2 days?

Posted by: Mark at November 17, 2004 02:47 PM

mark.. you can also surf hong kong.

Posted by: e at November 17, 2004 02:48 PM

INDO TO OB D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L

Obvious most like it clean soft and small here. Not a put down, just reminds me of a piece of art. Despite direct collective empirical evidence we each see something different. Like a blank canvass even if we each painted a straight line they would still be different lines and pieces of work. I've been out these days and have definitely seen some good surf

Posted by: pez at November 17, 2004 02:49 PM

santa cruz lady charger Jamilah Star

Posted by: yeah girl! at November 17, 2004 02:51 PM

yeah, if you went to indo and it was like it was here today, you'd be all: how come i'm surfing a beachie in 50 degree water and i don't have the runs. where's my bintang?
to me this mornings conditions compare favorably to pretty much anything. but i'm a wimp from south carolina and reefs/open ocean swells scare me and if you did somehow manage to hurt yourself on those sweet little waves out there today the hospital is not a three day boat trip/plane ride away.

Posted by: steamwand at November 17, 2004 02:58 PM

Hardee's serves up 1,420-calorie burger
Fast-food giant skips diet craze, concocts fat-filled sandwich
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 10:09 a.m. ET Nov. 17, 2004

As many fast-food chains introduce healthier fare amid fears of being sued, Hardee's is bucking the trend, serving up a megaburger with 1,420 calories and 107 grams of fat.
St. Louis-based Hardee's Food Systems Inc. Monday rolled out its Monster Thickburger: two one-third-pound slabs of Angus beef, four strips of bacon, three slices of cheese and mayonnaise on a buttered sesame seed bun. The sandwich alone sells for $5.49 or $7.09 with a medium fries (520 calories) and soda (about 400 calories).
McDonald's Corp., Wendy's International Inc. and other fast-food giants have broadened their offerings of salad and other lower-calorie fare amid concerns the industry could be held legally liable for Americas obesity epidemic. Hardee's offers no such concessions, although the chain is not completely oblivious to dietary trends, offering at least three "low-carb" items including a low-carb Thickburger.
In an interview on CNBC, Hardee's chief executive Andrew Puzder was unapologetic, saying the company's latest sandwich is "not a burger for tree-huggers."
"This is a burger for young hungry guys who want a really big, delicious, juicy, decadent burger," he said. "I hope our competitors keep promoting those healthy products, and we will keep promoting our big, juicy delicious burgers."
Health-safety activist Michael Jacobson denounced the new Hardee's concoction.
"They would argue they are just giving people what they want. I would say this is beyond the pale," said Jacobson, executive director of the Center for Science in the Public Interest. "Probably no nutritionist ever imagined that a product like this would be marketed."
Jacobson pointed out that one Monster Thickburger contains twice the recommended daily allowance of saturated fat, and nearly a full day's worth of sodium. Even before the new Monster Thickburger, the chain offered five sandwiches with 1,000 calories or more, and eight overall that have more calories than what was once the big-burger standard - McDonald's 600-calorie Big Mac.
"If Hardee's persists in marketing this junk, it should at least list calories right up on the menu board," Jacobson said.
While fast-food diets have been blamed for an epidemic of obesity and heart disease, last year a federal judge in New York dismissed two class-action suits blaming McDonald's for making people fat.
"Maybe this is a smart strategy because there are still folks out there who care about the taste and size of their sandwich, and less about their weight," said Jerry McVety, president of the restaurant consulting firm McVety & Associates in Farmington Hills, Mich.
MSNBC.com's Martin Wolk and The Associated Press contributed to this report
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6498304/?GT1=5809

Posted by: yum! at November 17, 2004 03:02 PM

Stoke Tank filled up: Check

Wave Count filled up: Check

Offshore cutback spray: Check

Close to getting fired from job for surfing at lunch everyday: Check

Posted by: kookdom at November 17, 2004 03:12 PM

i agree with pez and steamwand.. this week has been relatively wimpy, compared to indo or hawaii or capetown. I, and many people on this blog, really like it chill and fun. Some like Pez enjoy it larger and more powerful.

Indo scared the bejeebus out of me for the first few weeks.. then i got used to the barrelling drops over live flower coral reef. When i got back here after 2 months in indo even the bigger days seemed super easy and wimpy. The waves just seemed totally shitty in comparison. soft and weak. But.. now i haven't been there in 3 years and i'm back to thinking it gets gnarly here. I'm a wimp again.. but that's cool.

bintangs rock. nasi goreng. bloody bagus.

Posted by: e at November 17, 2004 03:12 PM

this is how i feel now

Posted by: bagel at November 17, 2004 03:20 PM

http://masamania.com/archives/2004/09/japanese_busine.html

Posted by: at November 17, 2004 03:20 PM

Selemat Pagi for sureee

Posted by: steama at November 17, 2004 03:23 PM

I hate myself for being lazy and not surfing before work. I want to punch myself in the liver and drown my sorrows.

Posted by: AS at November 17, 2004 03:24 PM

Posted by: hmmm at November 17, 2004 03:34 PM

Posted by: hmmm at November 17, 2004 03:36 PM

Indo is so amazing! Those pics are not of bingin though. At risk of being scolded on this site, it is Balangan. The other barrel is padang. I don't think OB today, or this weekend compares to Indo. It is like comparing apples to oranges. OB is so powerful in all its glory. But as mentioned, you'll get the longest rides of your life in Indo. You'll actually find yourself thinking, humm, maybe I should kick out, or maybe try to make this next section. Only to make the next section as the lip folds over you. Pure perfection. Surfing in Indo can be HEAVY, but nothing compares to the ass kickin' OB can delve out. And unless you've been eatting at the beach chalet, nothing compares to "Bali Belly" that you'll get from nasi goreng breakfasts. "Sure, I'll have another Bintang, why not?"

Posted by: greg at November 17, 2004 03:38 PM

Dude, J, I didn't think you rode the bus to work anymore?

Posted by: Kaiser at November 17, 2004 03:42 PM

good...good and more good...here's to all the head high and softy lovers. unreal day at the south end...finally made it out around noon...felt a little wheezy from the cold...waves and adrenaline cleared my sinuses...first wave was definitely a narrel hahaha...came out an 1 and half later stoked and blathering on like an idiot...took some video...got this older guy getting shacked off his ass and making it out when I was absolutely certain he was not coming out...showed him the video and he was stoooooked...now gotta to figure out how to catch up on work....in the words of christian..."Life is GOOD!!!!!"

Posted by: jdz at November 17, 2004 03:44 PM

"I nearly lost that first heat. It's not easy. You have to want to win and you have to kind of fight for it. As long as you really want to win, then I think it's possible. Who knows how long I'll be able to put on a jersey against these kids. For the moment it's fun and I'm going to try to keep doing better."

Posted by: curren at November 17, 2004 03:49 PM

well, cool, i was just like trying to make myself feel better since I've never made the pilgrimage. cuz today was purty durn fun...

Posted by: indome at November 17, 2004 03:52 PM

Indome...
Make the pilgrimage!!!!

Posted by: greg at November 17, 2004 04:01 PM

origins of "420"

Posted by: toker at November 17, 2004 04:01 PM

uh just out from a 'nutha sesh.

2 o c l o c k w a s l i k e t h i s:

g l a s s y p e r f e c t h i g h t i d e b a r r e l s.

now its time to go pay the piper.

-this message brought to you by NOVEMBER

!!

Posted by: elias at November 17, 2004 04:02 PM

oh yeah and the wind tore the surface up right around 2:40.
but its still surfable... for those jonesing.

Posted by: elias at November 17, 2004 04:03 PM

shiiet.. california buoy is 10ft 17seconds!

there goes our mellow mellowness..

Posted by: e at November 17, 2004 04:39 PM

Goddamn fucking students in my goddamn fucking office all goddamn fucking afternoon.

Great to hear all this stoke---but such a poor second to getting it! I WANT A REPEAT OF TODAY PLEASE.

Posted by: klooless at November 17, 2004 04:41 PM

Hey Pez- thanks for the kind words but I'm not in your photoleague. Had some serious viral infection issues with the laptop so I had to throw those shots up with little massaging. Hope to update the page with better versions tonight. Of course, now the 10D is out of action. Save me from technology.

Posted by: Bruce at November 17, 2004 05:03 PM

hahaha, yes kaiser, i do take public transportation from time to time. you can see i'm a morning person.....

btw, kaiser, if you could stop sending me pics of yourself in boxers that'd be great. gonna have to have a talk with your wife if it keeps up.

Posted by: j at November 17, 2004 05:13 PM

http://www.durp.net/grandaddy-nature_anthem.php

mmmm..

Posted by: bagel at November 17, 2004 05:23 PM

is there surfing on tv tonight?

Posted by: at November 17, 2004 05:46 PM

Posted by: bored at November 17, 2004 06:24 PM

I know Kaiser. Kaiser is a friend of mine. That guy in the photos is no Kaiser. Kaiser is way more ugly.

Why are women attracted to men? I still don't get it. I guess every woman makes a mistake now and then. . .

Posted by: Bruce at November 17, 2004 06:30 PM

surfing on OLN at 7 pm tonight...ASP Tour
mundakka

Posted by: monk at November 17, 2004 07:00 PM

no waves here in NZ every place I go I have been skunked. Se la veeeee... Better surf at home than here in CHristchurch.

interesting land...COWLIFANIA in the 5os...

Posted by: phil at November 17, 2004 07:51 PM

no waves here in NZ every place I go I have been skunked. Se la veeeee... Better surf at home than here in CHristchurch.

interesting land...COWLIFANIA in the 5os...

Posted by: phil at November 17, 2004 07:51 PM

I'm down south this week too. Pretty flat. Huntington Pier was looking like a slightly-steeper Cowell's, minus the crowds. Lotsa fun on a longie though...

Posted by: mwsf at November 17, 2004 10:30 PM

Way to include Guitar Wolf in your pics, Bored! Those guys are so great. This quote from them is excellent:

"I always, I like, I need noise. Because we are no skill. Our skill is no good. No technique. We need...Basic rock and roll is: Number one is looks; Number two is guts, tension; Number three is action; Maybe four, five nothing; Six is skill, technique."

Posted by: mwsf" at November 17, 2004 10:43 PM

Some alright pictures of my homebreak back in winter. Today it's 1ft with onshore winds producing sloppy full mushy waves. There's more than 200 people out, at least half of them would be posers.





Posted by: dan at November 18, 2004 02:55 AM

I know this is a little late but if the SP cam has such an influence and everybody here was beatching about how exploited OB is and was particuarly the crowds mon and tues....Then what happend these past few days b/c the cam has been down for the past 2 weeks.
Just ponting out that cams and these sites don't build huge crowds..the stoke builds that

Posted by: v70t5 at November 19, 2004 10:49 AM

I know this is a little late but if the SP cam has such an influence and everybody here was beatching about how exploited OB is and was particuarly the crowds mon and tues....Then what happend these past few days b/c the cam has been down for the past 2 weeks.
Just ponting out that cams and these sites don't build huge crowds..the stoke builds that

Posted by: v70t5 at November 19, 2004 10:49 AM

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