The Omnivore's Dilemma
The Omnivore's Dilemma - Michael Pollan
In "The Omnivore's Dilemma - A Natural History of Four Meals," Michael Pollan traces the pathways of four different meals (Industrial, Organic, Industrial Organic, Hunted/Foraged/Grown) from their origin to our mouth. Using wit, intelligence, and easy prose, Pollen infuses his journalistic forays into the food industry with hard science and flavorful first-person accounts. Where does high-fructose corn syrup come from? What does "organic" mean? What's life like for a factory-farm cow? How do you decipher between deadly and delicious mushrooms? Pollan delves deep into questions like these, probing uncooperative feedlot workers, questioning lifelong slow-food zealots, hunting wild boar, and ultimately guiding the reader merrily along as he uncovers the answers to where our food comes from and what it took to produce.
It was disheartening to learn how many organic foods begin by being produced in small-scale, sustainable ways but end up nearly mirroring their industrial counterparts when produced in mammoth, massively-distributed quantities. The cows that produce organic milk are rarely treated any better than those that produce non-organic. Both are often confined to miserable, caged-in existences, fed diets of mostly corn (cows are ruminants meant to digest grasses), and living in overcrowded CAFOs wallowing in their own excrement. The only difference between organic and non-organic milk in many cases is that the organic cows haven't been given any growth hormones or antibiotics in their feed.
In another interesting section of the book Pollan discusses a week he spends on a "beyond organic" farm in rural Virginia called Polyface farm. The term "beyond organic" refers to the misgivings the proprietor of the farm (and many other serious foodies) have toward the label "organic." In truth the word has a flexible meaning and has been severely co-opted by the industrial food system to make it more lenient than it's original intention. Polyface farm produces beef, ham, chicken, and eggs for local consumption and relies on preciously little outside input to keep itself operating (no chemical-fertilizer/pesticides/herbicides). The health of the farm is based on interconnected webs of symbiosis. The cows eat the grass on a highly specific schedule so as to ensure optimum health for the grass. The grass feeds the cows. The hens enter a pasture a few days after the cows, eating the grubs and larvae that grow in the cow dung. They help to break down the manure and minimize the bug problem on the farm, which helps stave off disease. There are countless symbiotic balances set up on the farm by it's highly resourceful and well-informed owner. Balances involving the forest and water retention, the hogs and fertilizer creation, open-air killing stations and the trust of the customers. Polyface farms runs beautifully on the cyclical, conservative, intelligent reuse of it's waste and land.
The last meal created by Pollan comes from his own efforts to hunt, grow and forage all ingredients. With trepidation he goes boar hunting in Northern California. Likening the experience to the heightened sensory mindframe of cannabis, he stalks through the woods until coming face to face with a large, grunting sow. He traces his reflections on the act of hunting from primal fulfillment to sympathetic remorse. He does a wonderful job of expressing the spectrum of human emotions surrounding the act of hunting in modern times. He exalts in the hardwired, evolutionary life force of the hunting urge. But he also laments the barbaric and cruel practice of willfully stalking and killing a beautiful, highly-sentient wild beast. He skillfully leads the reader through both sides.
Since reading "The Omnivore's Dilemma" I've paused for a moments reflection before chomping down on whatever i'm about to put in my mouth. Where does the yeast in these pretzels come from? What was the life of this chicken like? How many miles did this mango travel to get here? How much oil did it take to produce this hamburger? I might not be able to answer all these questions, but i feel more informed about the likely back stories.
Ted Slaughter snapped some unreal photos of this last south swell
Michael Kew shot of a faraway land
frist heckle
Posted by: more to come at May 8, 2006 09:39 AMBreakfast
Posted by: friend #1 at May 8, 2006 09:39 AMI love fruit, all kinds, tropical, local, all fruit. Recently I've been thinking about an organic bannana from Ecuador and how much fuel it takes to ship it to my local market. I eat fewer bannanas now.
Surfwise, I've been having trouble finding good waves the last few weeks. I think I'm in a rut. No place names, but how good have people gotten it lately?
Posted by: #3 at May 8, 2006 09:53 AMdear culinary terrorist currently residing in the VFW building
i always tell it like it is so here goes....your fish
and chips are horrible and you should be ashamed to
serve them. you need to take a look at quite a bit of
your menu really.
recently several of us ordered fish and chips and one person
peeled off the 1/2 inch of deceptive batter allowing
us to see the quality of the fish. i now know that it
is reconstituted fish, probably cheap shit like
haddock or pollok, pressed into random triangular
shapes a la Gorton's fish sticks. your executive chef
must be getting paid well because it is obvious enough
he is swallowing some pride. chefs are artists and no
self respecting executive chef that has gone through
the years behind the grill would let this go down.
essentially he is on his knees licking corporate nut
and rolling over to their demands to shave an ounce
off here, cut the liquor pour there, and shrink this
or that by some spreadsheet determined amount of
mililiters. i think the fish and chips got
reformulated under those guidelines too. it was only
about a year ago that they were decent.
us locals have been patient and given you plenty of
years now to get it right. we know about your cost
cutting game and that you rely largely on the fact
that a huge percent of your business is non-repeat
sucka tourists.
your beer is lackluster as well. beer requires
conditioning for a good while after the yeast converts
the sugars. your beer goes straight to the bar and
that is why it has all of the color, alcohol, and
aroma, but no depth or richness.
where is the dignity? its bad enough that corporate
interest took over the veteran's building and now
you've probably got them rolling in their graves over
your poor food and drink.
the only reason we come is to see the shitones.
by the way i'll be expressing my concerns to a lot
more than 17 people. i'll also be making an effort to
make sure you company does not get the contract over
at lake merritt in oakland either.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 09:59 AMexpress comments to deeann@beachchalet.com
ecological economics is an interesting way to account for the "real cost" of things, costing all the inputs into the system. local
Surfwise couple of fun days with winds, but nothing unreal
Posted by: z at May 8, 2006 10:01 AMand i heard they treat the employees horribly!
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 10:13 AMthe beach chalet sucks. the only thing going for it is the view. the food and service are sooo bad and have always been so bad.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 10:22 AMthey prey on tourist. with out them they would be doomed. i do not know a sinlge "local" that enjoys the beach chalet. i would rather pack a picnic and drink beer in the lot of VFW's than eat there.
i used to be a bus boy there back in the year 1998. i remember the chef at the time having lunch with another visiting chef and he comes out of the kitchen in his chef suit, complete wiht stupid chef hat and whit 2 gold medals around his neck. i was laughing. the owner seemed like a cool guy maybe not as much concerned with food quality than $$. funny rant, i agree with your comments regarding the fish and chips. the only thing worth a dang are the chicken wings and a beer when your hungover. dont get me started with thier perfectly measured shots, so annoying. shittiest bar service ever at park challet as well. 15 minute wait for a drink? c'mon.
Posted by: nathan at May 8, 2006 10:29 AMsorry, didn't mean to start the day off negative....glad to hear im not alone on this one though
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 10:35 AMI was a waiter at the Beach Chalet, Owners and management or repulsive, and treat their emplyees like crap.
Clover dairy treats their cows good and are the only farm in the country backed by the SPCA.
Posted by: Mexi at May 8, 2006 10:37 AMMy kids and i were there for a meal at the beach chalet last week. Sitting nearby was an african american family who was accompanied by a white friend/family member. They paid seperate bills and when they left, their waiter started to complain about how the african american family didn't tip him as well as the white person and started to bring up some very obvious racial generalizations. Another waiter overheard this and totally cussed out the dude and put him in his place for being a racist. This all happened with people watching the incident.
obviously there are some assholes and good guys that work there. as for my meal, it sucked.
Posted by: S.C. at May 8, 2006 10:38 AMSlaughter...perfect photographer's name for those shots.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 10:38 AMYeah, pretty much agree with everything posted by the Chalet-Hater. Terrible service, too few wait/cocktail staff per table and surley bartenders. The Park Chalet is also accoustically wretched, so noisy!
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 10:39 AMeven good people just need a job sometimes.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 10:40 AMWhile it's not near the ocean, the 21st Amendment is an awesome micro brewery, waaaaay better than the Chalet. They just started canning their Watermelon Wheat and their IPA is sublime, IMO. The brew master, Shaun, loves to talk abou his beer and you can regularly find him there chatting it up with the regulars. If you are a beer fan, the 21A is the place to be.
Posted by: 21a fan at May 8, 2006 10:46 AM...and Michelle the bartender is a kisk ass-longboarder
you guys need to post on craigslist food forum.
where are the tales of south swell epicness?
Posted by: 3to5setsof7 at May 8, 2006 10:46 AMindo boat trip help.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 10:56 AMi am heading off to surf for a couple weeks in indo, if anyone has gone there can you give me a quick run down of the waves, the power they have and how you changed your surfing from OB to reef breaks.
never been to indo before and was hoping someone could shed some light on the situation down there. what to expect, etc.
Bad - Haven't surfed in two months. Good - Haven't eaten at the Beach Chalet for more than a year. Good - Currently reading about the economics of the environment. Good - Almost finished with school for the semester. Bad - Need five more surgeries to get my front teeth back in my mouth. Good - planning an August trip to Oahu and Japan. Bad - Left my garage door open yesterday for nearly 3 hours when I went out. Good - everything was still there. Bad - it's Monday and I'm back at work. Good - they pay me for it...
Posted by: Dennis at May 8, 2006 11:00 AMExcellent book review, e.
Posted by: Surfseeker7 at May 8, 2006 11:03 AMI too have been getting skunked surfwise lately. I don't think anywhere in NorCal is what most of us would call "good".
Beach Chalet? Food sucks. Bring the VFW club back complete with old, Filipino, WWII hat wearing veterans.
Final thought for the day. Go find a kite board or one of those kite buggies those dudes were riding yesterday. At least somebody is getting some good rides at the beach.
Posted by: Relax have a Cuppa at May 8, 2006 11:04 AM
#3, good waves yesterday at a very popular local break...off shores ...and long peeling lefts
Posted by: niceness wearing thin at May 8, 2006 11:05 AMonly negative was the crowd...take a number please or self regulate people.... i conceded the last one to you so why are you paddling inside of me on this one?
surfed almost 4 hours yesterday. first sesh in gnarly, throaty kegs at a nearby beach. Caught a few fast crazy ones but also took a few lips on the noggin. fun.
second sesh at the Lane. Holy shit perfect and i mean PERFECTO waves were peeling in through the slot. NOt that i caught ANY of those, saw Ruffo and other people getting barrelled, nailing the lip, etc. etc. Frothing mass of 30 or so people jockeying for those gems. I sat down the line and picked off scraps and leftovers. Still some not bad ones. A few lip clicks and a long ride down past the steps a few times.
surf.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 11:06 AMAngel Island was firing yesterday!!!
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 11:08 AMIndo is a dangerous place with sea snakes!
Posted by: The Answer Man! at May 8, 2006 11:08 AM1. Wear a full suit with hood, booties and gloves.
2. Don't drink the water.
3. Bring condoms from home, Indo condoms are tiny.
4. Don't hit the reef.
5. Mushroom omlets, yummy! Have two a day.
6. Monkeys bite, (see 'Ubud' below)
7. Fast, hollow, crowded, perfect.
8. At least on severe beat-down/lip-launch/reff-smack per day.
9. Stock up on mercurechrome.
3. Bring condoms from home, Indo condoms are tiny.
6. Monkeys bite, (see 'Ubud' below)
HILARIOUS!!! Good to know this stuff.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 11:14 AMbali, g-land, mentawais and Lakey peak crowded. Most of the other waves generally mellow crowds.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 11:17 AMChalet's beer is green. Has anyone had just the worst hangovers from that stuff. food sucks but that taco tues is an okay deal. just okay
Posted by: v70t5 at May 8, 2006 11:31 AMBoycott the surf in Muslim countries!
Posted by: Surf USA at May 8, 2006 11:39 AM
have some balls and send that actual message to the Beach Chalet owners.
I enjoy the park chalet on sunny afternoons, my kids get to run around and we can sit outside and have a beer and a tri-tip sandwich or pizza (kinda hard to fuck those two up). but, yah, i think their food is marginal, the acoustics inside are pathetic (or they should just have acoustic bands play), and the service is also marginal.
too bad, they could have something REALLY good there, but they go on the cheap. i would love it if they had hot girls working there too, like Delfina or some of the Mission bars. Their business would pick up as everyone likes to perv on hot girls. Think 'Coyote Ugly'.
lates.
Posted by: norcheco at May 8, 2006 11:41 AMSurfed *cough* yesterday: fun, semi-glassy + crossed up, complicated/grindy with just a handful out. Pick the right wave -- thick barrel or steep bowl. Wrong wave = air drop into the dredging maw and check your spinal flexibility. Lots of wrong waves to be had, I think eventually we all received a face plant or two as a "thanks-for-comin'." Better than it looked from shore...water's warming up.
Thanks e and thanks Mexi for the milk info (seriously).
Posted by: Ancient Jetties at May 8, 2006 11:42 AMSurfed *cough* yesterday: fun, semi-glassy + crossed up, complicated/grindy with just a handful out. Pick the right wave -- thick barrel or steep bowl. Wrong wave = air drop into the dredging maw and check your spinal flexibility. Lots of wrong waves to be had, I think eventually we all received a face plant or two as a "thanks-for-comin'." Better than it looked from shore...water's warming up.
Thanks e and thanks Mexi for the milk info (seriously).
Posted by: Ancient Jetties at May 8, 2006 11:42 AMSorry double-post, something just tweaked w/ your server e.
Posted by: Ancient Jetties at May 8, 2006 11:43 AMhomework or surf?
Posted by: seascum at May 8, 2006 11:52 AMlean forward
Posted by: chumash local at May 8, 2006 12:12 PMwhen in doubt, surf.
Posted by: v70t5 at May 8, 2006 12:12 PMwhen in doubt, surf.
Posted by: v70t5 at May 8, 2006 12:12 PMOB - late Sunday morning, tide is starting to recede, and the early DP funkiness is all but a memory.
Big rip pulling off the beach with head high plus walls peeling of either side.
Tucked in tight to the edge where the water turned blue to brown, and threw myself into every sucking sand sucker that came my way.
Glassy angular wedges with fast, steep takeoffs, smackable reforms, then kick-out and paddle for another one.
It was automatic from late morning through early afternoon.
Dude's up in the corner looked like they were scoring also.
SUUUURRRRRFFFFF!!!!
Posted by: sactomex at May 8, 2006 12:13 PMWhat was the life of this chicken like?
If it is anything like the lives of the 8.9 BILLION chickens killed every year to feed the US, probably not very good.
But it still tastes great!
Posted by: Omnivore at May 8, 2006 12:20 PMpretty awesome thread about spotting Curren in the lineup
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 12:20 PMriiight.
Posted by: fanboy critic at May 8, 2006 12:21 PMConcave decks - anybody have experience with them. A surfpulse board for sale ad says it improves heel-to-toe response. Sound suspect to me, but hey, what do I know.
Posted by: Dennis at May 8, 2006 12:25 PMMid 90's, OB San Francisco, went over to a friend's house after a surf and Curren was there hanging out in the living room. I think he was in SF filming the Search or something like that. For several days there were Curren rumors flying around, "Curren's surfing Noriega Street," "Curren's at Sushi," "We're having Thai food with Curren tonight." So anyway I'm sitting in my friend's living room with Curren and a few others who had heard a rumor that he was there. I think Mark Massara was there, he lived just down the street. Curren was having a conversation with Mark Massara about sea grass or something like that and how it filters pollutants, when he was talking he would just trail off and not finish sentences. Then he would smoke a bowl. Another friend and I watched him look to see if anyone was looking and then pinch a couple buds from my friend's bag and put them in his shirt pocket. We asked each other did we really see Curren just do that and then started laughing! Anyway, it was pretty strange being in Curren's world for that brief moment, I kept thinking, it must be like this everywhere he goes: people just showing up in random places just to see him.
Posted by: Curren fan at May 8, 2006 12:25 PMhe prolly did your girlfriends when no one was looking too.
Posted by: fanboy critic at May 8, 2006 12:39 PMI wonder how many dogs and cats are eaten in asia each year. i've seen them bound and caged, for sale as food with my own eyes.
questions:
"What kind of meat is this on top of my rice?" on your next boat trip.
"Is this tofu farmed with soy that was grown in human sludge?"
"Did this dog lead a good/organic life?"
"Are the Chinese catching or growing these shrimp in polluted water?"
"Are the Japanese over-fishing the fuck out of this sushi that i'm eating?", etc.
sorry.
-Perry
Posted by: Perry Cox at May 8, 2006 12:42 PMadmit it, you wanted to blow curren when you saw him do that.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 12:43 PMthe cool thing about Curren's fame is that if you're not a surfer, you would have no idea who he is. He's anonymous to 99% of the public. He can pretty much lead a normal life unless he's in San Clemente or some other surfer town. Unlike Slater.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 12:48 PMhuh? what?
Posted by: curren is god at May 8, 2006 12:53 PMthe only good thing about the chalet is the park chalet on sunny days and letting the kids roam around outback. other than that, everything mentioned above is true.
Posted by: chalet 123 at May 8, 2006 01:04 PMI hope they walk Bonds for the rest of the season. That would be RAD!!!
Posted by: i hate cheaters at May 8, 2006 01:44 PMI'll agree about Park Chalet and kids outside on a sunny day. Don't mind the Crab Benedict either. Otherwise, I'm with the general opinion too......
Posted by: limevoodoo at May 8, 2006 01:45 PMmost pro athletes are juiced
Posted by: friend of pro athlete at May 8, 2006 01:52 PMyes their ($6 with the 50 cent tip) beers gives gnarly hangovers.......but at 22ozs and 5+% alcohol....2 of their beers equates to 5 Mission bar pabst beers that you pay $3 for and are shamed in to tipping by the "tip or die" sign
either way it's the only game in town and that's why surfers go there......
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 01:54 PMoh yeah.....it's pretty rare that there is any pussy in the chalet.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 01:57 PMand all of the pussy that surfs has been passed around pretty thoroughly anyway that no one want's to take "their turn"
hence the chalet is a sword fight even on shitones nights
for real? the beach chalet is the only game in town!? are you talking about the beach chalet in SF? that's the stupidest thing in a while on here.
Posted by: get real at May 8, 2006 02:01 PMI had dog in Vietnam and it was fine. Personally don't see the difference between eating dog, chicken , rabbit or cow etc...
Why is eating dog wrong and eating a baby cow or sheep is fine?
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 02:02 PMmmmmm babies.
Posted by: carny vore at May 8, 2006 02:04 PMThe best thing about the chalet it the shiter in the AM before I go surf...
Posted by: Mexi at May 8, 2006 02:07 PMjust like your mom.
Posted by: only game in town at May 8, 2006 02:12 PMof course there are other whores in SF but where else can you get a toothless $10 suckoff?
Ever see that Greenough movie with the interview with Curren? He just rambles and goes way off topic about himself and made him sound so sad and pathetic.
Surf like Curren, don’t snag buds like Curren.
Posted by: Hb at May 8, 2006 02:12 PMcurren is boring. time for a new hero.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 02:13 PMI've *never* been to the Beach Chalet. Java Beach I like & that quicky mart across the street from Wise is ahite.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 02:18 PMBut on the south swell tip...
5:15a friday: infrequent and fun
5:30a sat: infrequent but with 10-15 wave sets every 45 minutes 6:00p sunday: consistent smaller well shaped waves with me and one other dude that wasn’t catching anything.
ahhhhh yeah
Posted by: Hb at May 8, 2006 02:20 PMsouths are boring. time for a new overhype.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 02:21 PMFor another 1/2 hour or so you can hear me smacking the following lips after these words at 415-273-1618
After $149.95 - huge smack off the top
An "almost" smack after the word "bumpy"
A lip smack after the phrase "done for the day already"
another smack after "tidal information"
Posted by: Wise lip smacking guy at May 8, 2006 02:23 PMOnly about 1/2 left until the 3pm report! Hear these smacks while you can!
no curren thread would be complete without a "listen to me" even though i wasn't there by rapestah
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was that adam's house?
Pete R.'s house, on Great Highway, near Lawton; I don't think he had a roommate named Adam but I don't recall who was living with him then, might have been G. Brunson.
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Pete R. is thanked in the credits to Litmus for that trip...funny to hear the entire story including the how it all started.
Curren earlier that day ripped the crap out of OB in front of Doc's, riding a short fish, while the locals were on 8ft+ guns. Unreal. For the film Litmus. After he got out, he was already sick and tired of listening to Doc (something many OB locals can empathize with). Two guys spotted him, and spoke to him briefly. He complained about Doc and they told him to stop by later, and just hang. He did, and all was cool.
Pete R. lived upstairs. However, Pete has good hospitality skills, Curren hung out for a few days, surfed big OB, surfed Mavericks (3 times as many rides as anyone else out), and Pete is thanked in the credits for Litmus.
Now, you can imagine the impact that had on the local scene. Think about what would happen if Kelly Slater came to your beach, ran from his sponsors, hung out with surfers he had never met for a few days getting stoned and playing bad guitar, before blowing town.
Definitely an unusually cool fellow.
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Posted by: long live the rape of OB at May 8, 2006 02:25 PMhttp://www.blakestah.com/fins/index.html
old man curren would be the one to hang with
Posted by: gramps at May 8, 2006 02:25 PMdude partied real hard
regularly blitzed beyond comprehension
any Giselle pics floating around out there?
goddamn, to surf like slater and go home to that chick every night. holy shit.
Posted by: i would drink her bathwater at May 8, 2006 02:25 PMChad is the name of the "lip smacking guy"...
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 02:35 PMthanks chad.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 02:39 PMSomeone was getting some yesterday at a spot south of town. www.surfhumor.com
Posted by: bruce at May 8, 2006 02:41 PMSactomex I'm pretty sure we surfed the same spot at the same time yesterday. Those were some nice dredgies. Mellow crew out there, too; peace....
Posted by: Ancient Jetties at May 8, 2006 02:42 PMyeah, when the surf is bad, i like to get the penguin run over in that banner ad where i'm supposed to win something if i help him cross the street.
no actual petrol is used in killing him, though, so i don't feel so bad.
and as i have been getting skunked frequently of late when seeking surf, many penguins have perished.
Posted by: penguin killer at May 8, 2006 02:45 PMvicious little bastards
Posted by: fred astaire at May 8, 2006 02:52 PMI wonder what ever happened to Curren's first marraige. Beautiful blond french wife that surfed, two beautiful daughters, lived in the south of france.... All the sudden, he didnt live in France anymore and he married that Panamanian hottie and had two or three sons.
I've heard a rumor that Vetea David was sleeping with Marie Curren and Tom found out, but not sure if that is true. Anybody know?
Posted by: Jerry Springer at May 8, 2006 03:04 PMfriend of mine from LA area got married, took his wife to a tropical honeymoon, i think it was Fiji. He surfed a couple days, one day he came in from a surf and caught her in bed getting nailed by another guy, one of the guys that worked at the hotel i think, massuese or something. not sure, but he walked in with the guy humping his wife, saw it. GNARLY!!! true story. needless to say, he was very crushed.
Posted by: true story at May 8, 2006 03:06 PMCrushing but better to find out early on than later!
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 03:11 PMwhat a Ho!!
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 03:15 PMJust goes to show you that LA dudes don't know how to f*ck
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 03:20 PMwife and kids...
household pet...
coming clean...
was no safe bet...
yeaahh, they come to snuff the rooster.
but we ain't gonna die.
Posted by: alice in chains fan at May 8, 2006 03:24 PMwill it be NMW-able tomorrow? That is the real question!!
4-and-40 ?? maybe 6-and-60, then out?
please advise.
Posted by: joe at May 8, 2006 03:25 PMdidn't look too bad this morning. pretty fugly but still surfable. saw a couple dredging sections on the inside.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 03:28 PMI remember reading about Curren having that French wife and the life over there,
then divorcing her and coming back to the States, then getting with the Panamanian hottie, etc, etc.
I think what explains his behavior most is that he smokes at least 5 joints and drinks heavily every
day...
(I'll take the French chick, 1 joint and moderate
Posted by: Surfseeker7 at May 8, 2006 03:30 PMdrinking, thankyouverymuch!...oh, and I'd accept 1/50th Curren's surfing ability!!)
When I was in FIJI it was unbelievable how many older Australian women (30 to 45ish) came to FIJI by themselves to find a young FIJI man to have sex with him all week. I was told by one girl that she does it every year and finds a new Fiji man to have her fantasies fulfilled each time. They wine and dine these guys for their whole vacation and then leave them with some money at the end of the week.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 03:35 PMSo Poto wasnt dipping his stinger into her honeypot?
as I remember it, she was pretty hot.
It's too bad he is an addict. He is a reborn christian, so I guess he is getting his bases covered.
Posted by: Perry Cox at May 8, 2006 03:42 PMsame phenomenon in east africa and white european woman.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 03:44 PMI'd love to have a hot aussie chick come here and visit me, fuck me all week, wine/dine/69 me, give me money, and leave with no strings attached.
on a more realistic note, this is a good reason that HIV is spreading so fast....
Posted by: those sluts at May 8, 2006 03:44 PMwell, we all know why they go to get sausage in africa. it's the sausage.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 03:45 PMkeep in mind the aussie chicks going to fiji to do that are most likely NOT HOT!
hot chicks don't need to go to fiji to get the treatment.
Posted by: realist at May 8, 2006 03:49 PMYou would be surprised!!! Some of these girls are pretty hot. Not 10's but still real pretty. I think they do it for the fantasy. No one at home will ever find out!!!
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 03:53 PMalso: "No one at home will ever figure out how I got HIV and passed it on to all my friends."
Posted by: dumbshats at May 8, 2006 04:10 PMthen why arent you in fiji poking them?
Posted by: american gigolo at May 8, 2006 04:10 PMcountdown to 420
Posted by: KIX at May 8, 2006 04:11 PMAussie women going to Fiji for a boning sounds desperate and gnarly. I've got to imagine those are some ugly hos with STDs and a detached sense of reality. They're like one notch above skeevy guys who go to Thailand for underage girls. Deep-seated Issues. Even if their not mental patients, that stuff is just tawdry and lame. I'm sure they find it "empowering" or some horseshit to justify it.
Posted by: Won't fill the void in their icky souls at May 8, 2006 04:20 PMBing!
Posted by: KIX at May 8, 2006 04:20 PMGeez! You sure are a judgemental little guy aren't you, "won't fill the void"? Who are you to make those assertions against what consenting adults do on their vacations? Guys do that stuff all the time while on holiday, on military leave, and on business trips etc.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 04:28 PMWhy so angry? Been gettin' any lately? Maybe you would have a different view if one of those Aussie chicks came to visit you?
It's quite a booming trade for the young black stud in many poor parts of the world. And yes most of the women are white whales. However there are also the mentally insane ones that cannot get a man back home and come over for some action.
It's pretty common place in Africa. West Africa, esp the gambia it's pretty vomit inducing. Pretty much the same as the fat old german in thailand with two young things he's hired for the week...
Women aren't above that shit, much as society would like you to believe they are...
Posted by: ankors at May 8, 2006 04:30 PMsports fucking?
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 04:33 PMback to surfing....
who is on it with me in the morning???
also, as a sidenote, i would last about 3 seconds with giselle. i'd let her felch me.
Posted by: XENU at May 8, 2006 04:43 PMrush to judgementers: have you ever banged a chick that was on vacation here or that you met while on vacation? if 'yes', do you consider that chick you banged somehow more respectable than an aussie lady on vacation that bangs Fijians or a euro that bangs Africans? If you do then you are the one with issues.
Posted by: lots of people fuck on vacation at May 8, 2006 04:48 PMOnly got laid on vacation once. She was Canadian. We had just smoked opium with a bunch of people and a tribal guy in Laos. She had her clirotus pierced. She ended up being really annoying. That's the only time i got laid on vacation.
Posted by: true story at May 8, 2006 04:53 PMoops. clitoris (or however you spell it).
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 04:54 PMOlivia Wilde.
Hotter than any girl on The O.C., and she makes out with other chicks a lot
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 04:55 PMisn't felching when you suck the jizz you just shot in the girl out of the girl?
maybe you were thinking of a snowball? equally disgusting, but thats when she puts the load you just shot in her mouth back in to yours.
both activities in my humble opinion I feel are participated in by those who have homosexual tendencies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felching
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 04:56 PMCanadian chicks are annoying in general.
They like to tell you how they loath america and love hockey. also, they like to try and show how much smarter they are than american girls, blah, blah. i find myself resisting to scream "SHUT UP" around canadian chicks.
proceed.
Posted by: Dr. Bob Kelso at May 8, 2006 04:57 PMI was kidding about the felching. Just seeing who was listening.
Posted by: XENU at May 8, 2006 05:01 PMright, right, just kidding.
and i don't got a problem with cocaine, i just really really like the way it smells.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 05:03 PMDr. Bob Kelso for president!!
Posted by: for president guy at May 8, 2006 05:05 PMYeah, some nice ones on Surfhumor. Not epic but better than what I've been settling for. More windswell on the way. Whoo Hoo! I love turning for a wave, looking back and it's changed shape, adjusting, looking back and it's changed again. Maybe I'll find some sheltered spot with mini waves every 1/2 hour, or I can just do some bodysurfing cause it don't matter what the wave does, it all ends the same way, whomp.
Posted by: #3 at May 8, 2006 05:07 PMcurren is now tea-totaling and god-fearing, and still surfing
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 05:13 PMjizzy likes the way a girl's ass smells. he likes to stick his shnoz into anus.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 05:17 PMMaybe someday I will be a really savage boogie boarder...
Posted by: Brian at May 8, 2006 05:25 PMthe wikipedia guy almost made me puke.
what does 'tea-totaling' mean?
Posted by: weak stomach at May 8, 2006 05:33 PMSlutty? you there?
Posted by: whorebitcher at May 8, 2006 05:35 PMi think he meant "tea bagging" look it up on wiki
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 05:46 PMno way, jerk
Posted by: weak stomach at May 8, 2006 05:47 PMLooks like wasshisname has a new IP Address...here we go again...
Posted by: Toilet Talk A$$hole at May 8, 2006 05:54 PM(although may be brown as it can be contaminated with feces)
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Posted by: Brian at May 8, 2006 06:42 PMThat just made my day a lot worse.
He meant 'teetotaling', which means abstinence from alcohol, i.e. sober.
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 06:45 PMSIGH. He's baaaaack. Gotta say, I also find the Fiji discussion somewhat lame. :(
Posted by: welle at May 8, 2006 08:07 PMfiji discussion, chalet discussion, negative dude - all lame.
maybe people are just being tight-lipped about the weekend's swell. i know i am
Posted by: at May 8, 2006 08:46 PM$47.07 to fill my tank in bodega bay with its good ole $3.499 a gallon.... this is fucking insane. i guess ill just ride my bike 15 miles to school every day
Posted by: Brian at May 8, 2006 08:56 PMyeah Brian, I bet you remember when gas was $2.75 a gallon - back when you had your learner's permit.
its hard out there for a pimp, eh? gotta use all you allowance money on gas.
gas? candy? weed? wax? new volcom sweatshirt? take my girl out to Frosty Freeze? hard decisions, hard decisions.
Posted by: Brian fan at May 8, 2006 09:36 PMany you heads got suggestions on indo boat trips? looking for company, destination, and price. a buddy and i will probably hit it end of july and willing to drop 3 grand on the boat alone.
G
Posted by: gvibe7 at May 9, 2006 09:19 AMgvibe7, hit up the slayer at www.sumatransurfariis.com
or maybe it is only one "i"
Posted by: at May 9, 2006 10:10 AMl;kl
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